Clutch #2008.4

**Hurley** · 03-08-08, 06:57 PM

This clutch is still pipping, but here's what we've got so far.

Here are the ones that are out:
4 normals,
1 anery,
4 charcoals (2 that look mostly charcoal, but somewhat anery),
2 lavas (at least I'm assuming that dark one is the female vesion of lava,
and 1 diamond/ice.

The same snake is in the last 3 photos, the female lava suspect.

Not included in this first set of pics are the 5 eggs left to go, but 1 looks lava, 2 look diamond/ice, 1 looks charcoal/anery, and 1 is undecided.

This clutch is somewhat complicated by the type of charcoal coming from the dam's side. The charcoal in this mix is very Miami looking for a charcoal, with about as much contrast as an anery. Hopefully this will be evened out by the very dark charcoal/dark backgrounded pewter in the sire's ancestry.

Bighill_Reptile · 03-08-08, 10:04 PM

WOW Sweet clutch congrats can't wait to see post shed pics the last few are Killer

Mysterry · 03-08-08, 11:36 PM

Congrads on the beautiful clutch. Im so very happy you got some diamond/ice hatchlings.

**Lizard Woman** · 03-09-08, 07:48 AM

Congratulations, that is an awesome group of hatchlings! I am new to all the morph names what is a Diamond Ice?

**Hurley** · 03-09-08, 10:54 AM

Well, "Ice" is the name given to a snake that is both Lava and Anerythristic. "Diamond" is the name that has been proposed for the Lava Charcoal combination, but we have yet to prove we've made one. These babies have the potential to be a diamond, an ice, or a combo of both.

Not sure that we'll ever know until breeding trials.

**Cornsnakesalive** · 03-09-08, 01:58 PM

I am not sure what the suspected female Lava is. I haven’t noticed this obvious of a differences between male and female Lavas. Females can be as extreme as males, but some brightness differences can be seen. I have seen some hatchling Lavas, that look very extreme, almost see through, but after a few months it is not as noticeable. I am not sure if this female is a Lava, but I think it will be obvious a month from now. It looks like, what I envision a Dilute Normal to look like. Normal colors shaded to a lighter color.

It appears that the known Lava produced in this clutch has normal eyes. I have begun to produce some Lavas with ruby eyes, with no explanation for its occurrence. Can we “selectively” breed within a morph such as Lava, to produced different color eyes, or even the amount of reduction in melanin the Lava gene stops?

Lava has proven to me to leak some melanin through. Can we select offspring that will allow more melanin through to produced “Paradox” Lavas, and go the other way, to produced Ruby Eyed Lavas? Can we selectively breed for the “strength” of genes.

I can not see enough difference in the Ice/Diamond hatchling to say it is not an Ice. I can’t wait to see a phenotype from this clutch of other similar clutches that we can say, appears to be the Diamond phenotype.

The “Diamond” name is just a proposal, that came up when I thought I had one before. It has since proved to be an Ice. Raw diamonds, are what the name was derived from, plus with Charcoal as an ingredient, correlations can be made to diamonds. Charcoal, with the heat from Lavas, turn Charcoal into a Diamond in the rough. This is what I was thinking when I considered the name. Time will tell if it is a fitting name, and tusage and acceptance will be the deciding factors.

Corns.nl · 03-09-08, 02:24 PM

Very nice, congrats!
I cant wait untill i see the results from my normals het. ice, pewter later this year!!
Keep us posted!

Arjan

**Hurley** · 03-09-08, 02:26 PM

Yes, I'm not entirely sure what that quasilava looking animal is. When it was pipping, I honestly thought it to be another lava/anery mix. It looks halfway between the lavas and the normals, and yes, the word "dilute" popped into my head, but there is no reason for it to be in this line.

We'll see how it looks post-shed. Interesting critter to say the least, but too much color for an anery/charcoal unless charcoal does something really weird in conjunction with lava.

**Hurley** · 03-09-08, 02:57 PM

OK, for anyone who wants to play "what's the morph", here are some snapshots of a box with one of everything in it and the three ice/diamond candidates. Otherwise there is the lava (in shed, the lightest one), the whatever-it-is quasi lava thing, a normal, an anery, and a charcoal.

The darker of the diamond/ice things is a female, the lighter two are males. The lava is a male, the quasi lava thing is female.

Can't wait to see them all post-shed...and in a year....and in 3 years.

I'll get good photos of each post-shed and get them posted in their clutch page with head shots and belly pics.

stephen · 03-09-08, 03:04 PM

Hope to see pictures after they shed. I dont know much about lavas but I got some original lavas from a guy who was only breeding them to okeetee. I thought that they all had red eyes, cause the ones he had did.I also got one that looks to be a bit paradox.When compared to any other cornsnakes I have ,the color of red is different,I really like the look and which I had gotten more of these long ago. The ones I have look to have almost amels eyes,kinda the look of a ultramel . I will post a couple pictures of them.Anyways congrats Connie and hope they turn out to be what you are hoping for.