snake muzzle pics - Page 3

galenwbritt · 04-26-07, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by Lore_CSICorns

I know my husband needs to be muzzled quite often...

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chillicorn · 04-26-07, 12:42 PM

wow!....

...everybody has such good points and opinions!we'd make a killer debate team

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jenna

Jessica71 · 04-26-07, 06:48 PM

I agree - it's very interesting to see so many points of view. One point - someone mentioned that an easier way to create jungles would be to breed two jungles. I've heard jungles, being hybrids, are infertile. Or are they? Perhaps they just tend to be, but some aren't.

I wouldn't try this technique myself, but it doesn't sound as if any harm was done and I'm interested that restraining techniques are used in breeding other animals too. I'll be really interested to see what babies you get, Sonya. Your cali king is gorgeous.

Uk-Hybrids · 04-26-07, 06:56 PM

my opinion

That is the sadest thing iv seen in a long time.
Creating hybrids takes knowlege in the breeding responces of the species that are to be crossed and not just taped up and thrown together.
doing what you have done could have long lasting afects on the cali king you have taped up, you dont often see a cali play dead thats for sure.
you have allready said that the cali hooked with a male of its own type and by doing what you have done will add a masive amount of stress for the female.
it wouldnt surprise me if you have breeding complications with that female in the future and she will more than likely lay slugs this season due to the stress , and probably end up a more aggresive snake in the process.

when hybridizing you cant mate snakes that dont want to breed with whats on offer, if one dosnt go for it then try another and so on until you find compatable pairs that are willing to cross mate without being forced, its hard enough getting good viable clutches at the best of times without putting massive stress into the factor.

iv seen a few females spoilt by what you are trying, snakes that were fantastic breeders giving 100% clutch rates then after being socked and raped producing 100% slugs and egg binding with higher aggresion and different types of panic when introduced to mate along with a lower feeding responce.

i know people are going to try these sorts of things in the hope to produce some fantastic hybrids but their are plenty of snakes out their that will gladly cross over for you without having to be forced, these snakes are what you want, it takes time and lots of patients to create hybrids.

Just my view.

Paul.

**cornspot** · 04-26-07, 11:49 PM

Thank you. I guess I will know in a few weeks if there are any problems. Hopefully not. Of course, I will keep you all posted.

Mike17L · 04-30-07, 07:14 PM

Personally, I see no problem with this. Its like putting the female in a dark room for breeding. She cant see (or eat) the one breeding her, that in no way should affect the outcome of the breeding.

It is unsafe to breed a male cal king to a female corn, that is an established fact, the only other way to cross the two species a male corn to a female cal king. Cal kings (or any getula for that matter) have a great feeding response and usually must be muzzled in order to allow a male of a different species to breed it.

Great looking snake, you should have some really cool offspring. Now, if I can get my corn to breed my female cali I would be happy.

**cornspot** · 04-30-07, 07:25 PM

Great looking snake, you should have some really cool offspring. Now, if I can get my corn to breed my female cali I would be happy.

Thanks. I used a female corn to get him started.

Mike17L · 04-30-07, 11:07 PM

Originally Posted by cornspot

Thanks. I used a female corn to get him started.

I have been trying that, I am just not very persistant. I need to try it more often.

**desertanimal** · 05-01-07, 04:18 AM

Originally Posted by Uk-Hybrids

That is the sadest thing iv seen in a long time.

I think you should consider yourself fortunate to lead such a sheltered life. That, or you must simply be prone to hyperbole. One of the two.

Kevin_Letts · 05-01-07, 10:20 AM

I don't quite understand the point in attacking him (UK-Hybrids). He stated his opinion, and gave the best and most informative post in the thread. Everybody here has kept this thread very informative, and a great ammount of information has come up. If you feel your only contribution to this is a snide/sarcastic remark directed at a very new but very well respected member, why even post to begin with?

Kevin