Wide bordered ultramel - Page 2

stephen · 10-13-07, 02:57 PM

I think it looks like a nice okeetee baby,but maybe the picture is just dark. However thats a very nice looking animal! WTG!

poppycorn · 10-13-07, 09:28 PM

Originally Posted by stephen

I think it looks like a nice okeetee baby,but maybe the picture is just dark. However thats a very nice looking animal! WTG!

The picture might be a wee bit dark but the snake really does look like that. If I stare real hard at it, I can convince myself it is dark gray. But it is definitely an ultramel, there's nothing else it can be. I haven't hatched any normal colored okeetees so I will take your word for it that's what the young ones look like.

Here's an "in the box" shot.

CornLuver7 · 10-14-07, 03:04 AM

Keep up the breeding thats an very beautiful snake im jealous LoL.

Joni Garcia · 10-17-07, 12:55 PM

Love the borders!

shaky · 10-18-07, 09:09 AM

I looked at a ton of pictures of ultramels affter you posted this one, and some few (very few) exhibit coloration similar to yours.
The snake you posted looks like a normal. The grays are so much darker than a typical ultramel's.
At the very least, it should exhibit some sort of hypo look eventually.
I'm still skeptical, but as you say, if the parents are what you think they are, there's nothing else it could be.
It's a very pretty snake.
Can you show some others from the same clutch? Comparison would be nice.
--Jack

DemonFrog · 10-19-07, 08:26 AM

to me it looks like a hypo, you have to look at the borders, they aren't really black like a typical corn's. Ultramels have Less black than a normal or oketee and this one in my opinion qualifies. Very nice snake poppycorns.

stephen · 10-23-07, 01:08 AM

DemonFrog · 10-23-07, 12:12 PM

reverse oketee is albino + oketee phase, and i believe ultramel is amel + some form of hypo?, to be honest the hypos are getting REALLY confusing, i need to pick up the corn snake morph guide i guess........

ballpiefun · 10-24-07, 03:22 AM

Originally Posted by DemonFrog

reverse oketee is albino + oketee phase, and i believe ultramel is amel + some form of hypo?, to be honest the hypos are getting REALLY confusing, i need to pick up the corn snake morph guide i guess........

Ultra/Amel (Ultramel) results from the pairing of an amel allele to an ultra allele at the Amelanistic locus. The ultra gene is the form of hypo you refer to above. Here is a photo of my Ultramel;

poppycorn · 10-25-07, 05:12 AM

Originally Posted by stephen

Wow, Stephen that one's more like what I was expecting from this cross. Yours (did you breed that one yourself?) really has the wide gray borders. Congrats, I know these are pretty rare.

Can you show some others from the same clutch? Comparison would be nice.

Jack, there weren't any others like that in the clutch. The rest were all amels. But here's a photo of an ultramel sired by the same father as the wide-borderd one but from a different clutch.